Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Newborn, Infant, and Toddler Wearing

In traditional cultures, baby wearing was a common practice.  For modern-day parents, having the ability to wear your baby (or toddler) has numerous benefits, including:
  • Promoting closeness between child and parent
  • Freeing up the parent's hands to accomplish tasks such as cooking and cleaning
  • Allowing children to feel secure in new situations
  • Promoting calm and well-being in the child
  • Giving parents the freedom to take part in activities such as hiking, dancing, and gardening
For me, babywearing has been a necessity.  Both of my children initially had an aversion to car seats and strollers, especially my firstborn. And as is common, both of my babies have been happiest while being held. Being able to wear my children has allowed me to meet their needs while still being able to do everyday things like grocery shopping, cooking, cleaning, and gardening.  Baby wearing has also been invaluable during air travel, hiking, and sightseeing.
With the exception of the last few months of my second pregnancy, I have been wearing children several times every week (and often daily) for over four years. I use a variety of baby carriers, depending on the age of the child and what activity I will be doing.  I thought it might be helpful to share some tips for wearing children at different ages (newborns, infants, and toddlers), wearing a child while pregnant, and choosing a type of baby carrier.

Tips for Wearing a Newborn
Newborns crave closeness with their parents.  It must be quite a shock moving from the womb into the relatively quiet and still world. My favorite way to wear a newborn is in a tummy-to-tummy hold.  This hold supports the newborn very well, allowing you to easily see the baby's face and make sure their airway is not restricted (this is especially important until the baby develops proper head control). My favorite carriers for newborns are the Moby wrap and the Beco carrier

My daughter really loved the Moby wrap (and indeed this is hands-down the most comfortable carrier for carrying children on the front of your body because it distributes the weight very well across your whole back).  I used the Moby wrap to take my daughter for lots of walks, to go grocery shopping, and to help her settle down and fall asleep (she was colicky for the first few months).  The Moby wrap also works great if you want to try kangaroo care (skin-on-skin contact) with your baby (the Moby wrap has good coverage so you could even leave the house and no one would know you weren't wearing a top).

I'm not sure why, but my son did not particularly like being worn in the Moby wrap.  He preferred the Beco carrier, which is a structured tummy-to-tummy carrier that can also be used to carry babies on your back as they get older.  My son was especially difficult to settle down to sleep, so I used the Beco carrier with him several times every day to help him go to sleep (and I still use it occasionally if he is having a hard time going to sleep).  It also worked great for taking him on walks while pushing his sister in the stroller. The Beco carrier is definitely great for babywearing novices, because it is foolproof to use (whereas the Moby wrap takes a bit of practice to be used comfortably). 

Wearing an Infant
Once babies develop good head control, there are more options for wearing them.  Tummy-to-tummy carrying is still a great way to calm and settle infants. In addition to tummy-to-tummy carrying, infants can be worn on your hip or facing outwards on your front.  My favorite carriers for infants are the Moby wrap, ring sling, and Beco carrier (for tummy-to-tummy carrying).

Both the Moby wrap and ring sling can be used for babies who like to face outwards.  My daughter loved being able to face outwards in the Moby wrap as we went for walks, to the zoo, or on airplane trips.  It is very comfortable for long durations of baby wearing.  With the Moby wrap, I was able to wear my daughter all the way through airport security and onto airplanes (although I think the flight attendants could technically ask you to take the baby out of the carrier, I had no problems using the Moby on multiple plane trips, whereas with the Beco carrier I was always asked to remove it). 

Once both of my children had enough head control, I transitioned to using the ring sling for trips to the store and running errands. Wearing babies on your hip instead of your front gives you much more freedom to perform tasks such as grocery shopping and cooking. The ring sling is wonderful because it can be put on and taken off very quickly.  The downside of using a ring sling is that it does not evenly distribute the weight across your whole back, so it can be a little tiresome to wear for an extended period of time.     

Wearing a Toddler
Carrying children on your front gets less comfortable as they get heavier and longer.  My favorite ways to carry toddlers are on my hip (in the ring sling) and on my back (in the Beco carrier). Once babies get old enough to ride on your back, the possibilities are endless! Wearing toddlers on your back is very comfortable and completely frees up your hands to perform other tasks.  I've worn toddlers on my back for digging holes, hiking, cherry picking, and even shoveling/moving buckets of manure to the garden. 

Wearing a Child During Pregnancy 
While pregnant with my son, I was able to comfortably carry my 2-year-old daughter until I was about 6 months pregnant.  Almost as soon as I got pregnant, I noticed that the ring sling and Beco carrier were no longer comfortable to wear.  For me, the best carrier to wear while pregnant was a mei tai carrier (which is similar to a structured carrier but has long pieces of fabric to tie instead of using buckles).  I carried my daughter on my back, and I could tie the straps either below or above the baby belly for comfort.
What Type of Carrier Should You Buy?
With the right carrier, there is no need to buy a stroller, and I found my children to be happier in a carrier than a stroller anyway.  Deciding what type of carrier to buy will depend on what activities you are likely to do while wearing your child.  For long walks, hiking, and sightseeing, carriers that distribute the weight over both shoulders are ideal (like the Moby wrap or the Beco carrier).  The ring sling is my favorite carrier for running errands, grocery shopping, or anytime I needed to be able to quickly take the baby in-and-out of the carrier.  

Each child and parent has different preferences.  If possible, check to see if anyone you know is willing to lend you a carrier for a week or two to get a feel for which ones work best for you.  Baby carriers make great baby shower gifts, too! 
Do you wear your baby or toddler? What are your favorite carriers?

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Holly said...

I absolutely love wearing my little girl. It look me a little while to get into the hang of using the sling with her when she was younger as I really wanted to use the Ergo carrier, but she preferred the sling. She was happy in the sling until about 6 months, then we transitioned to the Ergo and now she's back to preferring the sling (wearing her on my hip). I like having different carriers because you never know which one your baby is going to prefer.

Rosemary said...

This sounds just like me! ;) We used the moby exclusively for months and all three of us (me, my husband and my daughter) loved it. It's still my #1 recommended carrier for new mommas. Since she's grown (8mo & 20+lbs), we've transitioned to a beco gemini as well (I especially love it for back & hip carries), and have tried the ring sling (although I don't feel like she's as supported on my hip in the ring as she is in the beco). I've also learned to backtie her with a woven wrap, which is a new favorite! She loves being worn and gets giggly when she sees me break out the carrier. Happy Babywearing!!

Lisa - the Granola Catholic said...

I miss wearing my babies. They are too grown up for that. I think I wore a child for a combined 7 years. I would not have done it any other way. My babies were very happy and I was able to be on the go with them. Have sling will travel was my catch phrase. As a toddler, my middle daughter always made sure to grab a sling for me whenever went out the door. (As a mom, I always kept a spare sling in the car).

Gaby @ Tmuffin said...

Yay for babywearing! I don't understand how people wouldn't want to wear their babies. It makes life so much easier. I can't tell you the number of times people comment on how amazing it is that my newborn will fall asleep within 5 minutes of getting snuggled in a wrap or ring sling.

I second how awesome it is to have different styles of slings, too. With Baby T, I wore a Gypsy Mama stretchy wrap almost exclusively. My partner used the Ergo. I bought woven wraps when Baby T was 12 months old, and they are amazing too.

With Little M, I used the ring sling more when he was a tiny newborn. I don't know why--I just preferred it. Now, I like to wear him on my back in a woven to get things done. And yesterday I had him skin to skin in the Moby because he was sick.

Babywearing is awesome! It life so much easier. My only regret is that I stopped babywearing when I was pregnant, because now my toddler doesn't really want to be worn.

Unknown said...

Wonderfully informative post. I am a huge fan of and advocate of babywearing. It has been a constant source of comfort and security for my babe. We have used a few different carriers during the past 28 months as needs changed but my Moby and Beco are my faves! Great post!

Jenny said...

great review on various types of carriers! we don't have this many choices of baby carriers but baby wearing here is catching on and many local manufacturers are developing their own versions of different types of carriers and slings. Babywearing rocks :D

Danielle said...

We love baby wearing too, and I second the idea of having lots of different carriers. We have a homemade Moby ($5 instead of $40!), a "Hotsling," and several second-hand no-name cheapos that have nonetheless come in really handy! The only problem with babywearing for me is that if we've just arrived (with baby in the carseat) at the grocery store, it's SO nice to be able to take sleeping baby in the infant carseat, stick her in her carseat in the shopping cart, and shop without baby even waking up! As we eat less and less conventional food, though, I guess we'll be frequenting the conventional grocery less and less. :)
Loved this post!

Anonymous said...

I loved the Moby for my daughter, but found it too heavy material wise. With my son, I have been using a borrowed Sleepy Wrap, and I LOVE it. It's more resilient than the Moby - you can put it on without baby in, put baby in, wear him for hours, and then take him out and the wrap hasn't stretched out almost at all. It also seems cooler to me, which is important in the summer! I also uses a mai tei for him when he was first born, and loved that for a newborn because it is so secure, but adjustable and not full of buckles. I made my own, and love it. There are all sorts of free patterns out there to use, and you can make one out of fabric you can find at your local fabric shop. My next addition to the baby wearing wardrobe will be a ring sling. . . I have the rings and fabric for it - I can't wait to sew it and try it out! For my son right now at 3 months of age, I use a modified version of a general one shoulder sling. I sewed mine shorter than hip level to let my little bub ride closer to my chest - he likes that position much better than a traditional sling allows for.

...sarah. said...

Oh, how I miss baby-wearing! My son is a toddler now, but he is much too active to ride on my back anymore. Any attempt to wear him now is met with resistance, but I very much loved our Baby Hawk back in our wearing days. Before that, we had a handmade ring sling that I bought from an Etsy seller that went with us everywhere.

Lauren Wayne said...

What a great primer on babywearing at the different ages! I'm once more in newborn babywearing heaven and loving it. I've been using a Sleepy Wrap (like the Moby) but even more so the mei tai I made, which is similar to the Beco. I love love love the snuggliness of little baby against my tummy. :)

My firstborn was a huuuge baby, so I was glad to start using the Ergo early on with him and transition to back carries on the early side as well. Then I was still comfy to wear him until…well, sometimes I still do, and he weighs 48 pounds now. ;)

Patti @ Jazzy Mama said...

When my son was born last year it seemed like he HATED every type of baby carrier. I was SO SAD because I had used ring slings for my previous (3) babies and LOVED IT. It turned out my son had severe reflux and any pressure on his tiny belly made him cry and cry. Now he is 12 months and he is much better and he has turned out to LOVE the sling--especially falling asleep there.

I would ncourage every mother to keep trying to use a carrier at any age. Even my 5yo loves to ride in the sling when her legs get tired.

Lauren said...

I have quite the library of carriers, for sure! Once the wrap got too small we moved to a Hotslings-style thing that I made for about $8. The ring sling rode too low for anyone's comfort and seemed insecure after the belly-to-belly carry with a wrap, so I sewed a curved bum seam in the middle, which helped but it never became a favourite. I need to invest in a mei tei or similar now that my 3yo is too heavy for long-term hip carrying.
@Patti, that's interesting; I have a friend whose child refused the sling as well, I'll have to tell her.
The only thing I'd like to add to a great summary post is the concern about out-facing front carries putting unhealthy pressure on a small child's spine.
I use the TUCKS rule for safe babywearing: Tight, Upright (head higher than bum), Chin off chest, Kissably close, Supported (knees higher than bum and spine in a neutral position). For something similar, see babyslingsafe.com.
There's a store chain in Ontario that rents carriers for a week - perhaps other places offer similar services?

Joanna said...

Love this post! I have a 20 month old toddler and since we got our Ergo when he was 6 months old that has been our favorite hands down! I've worn him while cooking when he needs extra momma time, and also when gardening and berry picking. It's a lifesaver!

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Laura said...

I think my favorite carrier has been my new native sling. That was a life saver when my daughter was an infant and wanted to be held constantly. I liked the moby, but she could never seem to get very comfortable in it. I am hoping it works better for #2. Now that she is older, my favorite carrier is our mei tai carrier. She's a little big to carry on my front, but she loves riding on my back in it.

JoAnna said...

I wasn't sure how to get a question to you...

When you describe your parenting style, you mention co-sleeping. We are currently co-sleeping too. Is it something you still continue or did you stop when the children got to certain ages? We're looking for tips on how to transition from co-sleeping into children having their own bed. Do you have any sources or words of wisdom?

Thank you!

Sarah Smith said...

Hi JoAnna,
We have co-slept with both of our children. For us, transitioning them out of our bed is taken slow and easy, and we take our kids developmental needs into account rather than using an arbitrary time-table.

My son is 3 and still sleeping in our bed. He has always had sleep issues, waking very frequently during the night and being scared if I'm not nearby. These issues are getting better now with the help of homeopathy, but not completely resolved yet, so he is not quite ready to sleep on his own yet. But we have recently night-weaned, so that is some progress.

My eldest, now 6-years-old, was still sleeping in our family bed when her brother was born (at that time she was almost 3). Because of my son's sleep issues, my husband and daughter started sleeping in another room fairly soon after my son was born.

They slept together in another room for awhile, then moved back into our room when my daughter was 3. At that point, my daughter was sleeping in a toddler bed (without a rail) pushed right up against our king-size bed (and our king-size bed is a platform bed, so it is actually the same height at the toddler bed). My daughter would snuggle with my husband at night and often hold his hand while sleeping. Over time, we gradually moved the toddler bed away from our bed, a little at a time (and did install a very low bar just to keep her from rolling off). Over time, she was then sleeping in her own bed, completely independently, a few feet away from our bed.

We started transitioning her to her own room when she was perhaps 4-years-old, but I found that I wasn't comfortable with her being so far away. Our house has a split floor plan, so I worried that I wouldn't be able to get to her in case of fire, or that she could be sick in the night and we wouldn't hear her. So we built her a bed that fits perfectly in our room. It is not next to our bed, but across from the foot of our bed. She has been sleeping in this bed independently for several years now and it works out wonderfully. She has her own small booklight, so when it is bed time she reads quietly to herself and then turns off her light and sleeps whenever she is ready. I feel comfortable having her in the same room, knowing that she is safe with me nearby. If we did not have a split floor plan, maybe she would be sleeping in her own room. Or maybe not, who knows? I am happy with the arrangement we have now and don't feel any need to change it.

JoAnna said...

Thank you for telling me your experience. I think we are going to try putting a toddler bed next to ours as the next step and go from there as he permits. Thank you again. None of my friends co-sleep so it helps to hear stories from someone who has similar views and opinions.

Without getting too personal, this is one thing I haven't quite figured out... While co-sleeping with your daughter, how were you able to find time to create your son? Did she nap during the day by herself? We're finding it hard to get time to try for our next, since our nights are accompanied by our toddler. Of course there are some times that present themselves during the day, but those aren't quite frequent enough for me to feel like we're "trying" for the next.

Thank you again!

Sarah Smith said...

You're welcome; I'm happy to share our experiences. My daughter did not wake easily, so we often had middle of the night liaisons on the other side of the bed when trying to conceive our son. I was also using fertility awareness to track my probably ovulation times (by just keeping track of waking body temperature and vaginal mucus), but we also seem to get pregnant very easily. Both times, I was pregnant within the first month of "trying". Besides trying to get pregnant, though, co-sleeping does require us to have a bit of creativity to ensure we can still maintain our intimate relationship. When my daughter was 2, I recall that we would sometimes set her up to watch a 30-minute video on the couch, and then we would go off to our room with the door shut for some time to ourselves. We did this about once a week. With two kids, we have had to try to get more creative. My son is old enough now that we can use the same trick of letting them watch a video (that works especially well for us because we hardly ever let them watch any videos and we don't watch television). When my son was younger, though, we did often find ourselves not being able to seem to find any time alone. The thing that has worked best for us in this regard is having my mom babysit the kids at her house twice a month, and rather than us going on a date, we stay home instead so we can have an uninterrupted opportunity to be intimate together. We both enjoy these times so much more than the times when the kids are home that we often will just wait until the next babysitting event. While I certainly would like us to be able to have more intimate time together, it is definitely a challenge with kids in the house. It definitely has to be made a priority, otherwise it would be too easy to go long stretches without finding any opportunities to be intimate.

Unknown said...

I do not use the belt like this although it is convenienct but this is very hot in the summer when outside

best infant car seat said...

Very good books you list down there! I read a few so i know! Wearing your child has always been my favorite, we can easily keep an eye on them while working (if you wear your child behind your back). Very good post! Please keep it up in the future!

Anonymous said...

My high-needs sensory-sensitive daughter also had to be worn. She's an average sized 4.5yo now. We started with a sling-ling that we still occasionally use (modified). Then around 7mo also started using the Beco Gemini. That I used up until she outgrew it around age 3. Now we use the Tula Toddler. This is such a lifesaver when taking her in really crowded places like farmer's market or Christmas bazaars. I have tried the Moby and Ergo, neither of which we liked. At all. We also use the Osprey Poco Premium hiking pack which is incredible.